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		<title>By: Serina Cottew</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-204344</link>
		<dc:creator>Serina Cottew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 08:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Moving Up The Stack &#8211; VMWare and Salesforce.com Team Up for Turn Key Cloud Applications as a Service &#124; SiliconANGLE</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-181880</link>
		<dc:creator>Moving Up The Stack &#8211; VMWare and Salesforce.com Team Up for Turn Key Cloud Applications as a Service &#124; SiliconANGLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which was acquired by VMware when the company acquired SpringSource for $420 million. According to SpringSource&#8217;s CTO the VMware deal is good for the market in that Springsource provides a development platform for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The New Economics of IT : Closing the Gap</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168616</link>
		<dc:creator>The New Economics of IT : Closing the Gap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Actually, this approach is being embraced by major platform vendors like VMware, which envisions a similar model-based approach by using the Spring framework to create a detailed blueprint for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Prateek Jain</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168317</link>
		<dc:creator>Prateek Jain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has any experimentation been done with deploying to a Eucalyptus-based private cloud environment? Figuring since Eucalyptus is a clone of the EC2 APT it should - but just curious if you guys have done it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has any experimentation been done with deploying to a Eucalyptus-based private cloud environment? Figuring since Eucalyptus is a clone of the EC2 APT it should &#8211; but just curious if you guys have done it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on VMWare, SpringSource and PaaS &#124; Oracle</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168314</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on VMWare, SpringSource and PaaS &#124; Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fine. But let&#8217;s see how the (very real) potential gets delivered. Kudos to Adrian Colyer for taking a shot at describing it in a reasonable way, though there is still a fair amount of hand-waving&#8230; and already a drift [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fine. But let&#039;s see how the (very real) potential gets delivered. Kudos to Adrian Colyer for taking a shot at describing it in a reasonable way, though there is still a fair amount of hand-waving&#8230; and already a drift [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Developer Dude</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168305</link>
		<dc:creator>Developer Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian,

This is pretty close to where I assumed the VMW/SS would be going and I think it is a good thing. At my previous gig we did something along the same lines - conceptually. They actually had a pretty nice process and set of tools for deployment of apps/sites/etc within operations - with proxies in the configuration for such things as DB URLs/passwords and such. So yes, this is definitely needed/used in the operations world, not to mention in the dev world (it would be nice to have various PaaS setups for debugging/testing/etc. before deployment). 

As a dev I don&#039;t get into the deployment/ops world much, my previous gig being the closest I came - but I imagine there are some solutions out there already that address at least some of this. That said, it is always good to have more choices, even better would be to have a standard as Guo mentioned. The impl doesn&#039;t have to be open, but the standard should be - it will be adopted faster and an ecosystem will grow up around it so that other modules can interact and as you mentioned you can move from one to the other. Then whether someone goes with a given impl will not depend on vendor lockin (which most of us hate - especially Java devs), but on the quality of the impl.

Good luck - I look forward to seeing what comes out of this even though it doesn&#039;t directly affect me.</description>
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<p>This is pretty close to where I assumed the VMW/SS would be going and I think it is a good thing. At my previous gig we did something along the same lines &#8211; conceptually. They actually had a pretty nice process and set of tools for deployment of apps/sites/etc within operations &#8211; with proxies in the configuration for such things as DB URLs/passwords and such. So yes, this is definitely needed/used in the operations world, not to mention in the dev world (it would be nice to have various PaaS setups for debugging/testing/etc. before deployment). </p>
<p>As a dev I don&#039;t get into the deployment/ops world much, my previous gig being the closest I came &#8211; but I imagine there are some solutions out there already that address at least some of this. That said, it is always good to have more choices, even better would be to have a standard as Guo mentioned. The impl doesn&#039;t have to be open, but the standard should be &#8211; it will be adopted faster and an ecosystem will grow up around it so that other modules can interact and as you mentioned you can move from one to the other. Then whether someone goes with a given impl will not depend on vendor lockin (which most of us hate &#8211; especially Java devs), but on the quality of the impl.</p>
<p>Good luck &#8211; I look forward to seeing what comes out of this even though it doesn&#039;t directly affect me.</p>
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		<title>By: William Vambenepe&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thoughts on VMWare, SpringSource and PaaS</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168271</link>
		<dc:creator>William Vambenepe&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thoughts on VMWare, SpringSource and PaaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fine. But let&#8217;s see how the (very real) potential gets delivered. Kudos to Adrian Colyer for taking a shot at describing it in a reasonable way, though there is still a fair amount of hand-waving&#8230; and already a drift [...]</description>
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		<title>By: VMWare acquires SpringSource &#124; Opinions on IT and various issues</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168176</link>
		<dc:creator>VMWare acquires SpringSource &#124; Opinions on IT and various issues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] edit: According to Adrian Colyer this is the future of how Java applications will be deployed. Still, I don&#8217;t buy into the cloud [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SpringSource Launches Enterprise Java Cloud &#124; SpringSource Team Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168159</link>
		<dc:creator>SpringSource Launches Enterprise Java Cloud &#124; SpringSource Team Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] product itself. We&#039;re looking to offer modular deployment with SpringSource dm Server. Both Adrian and I have blogged about the possibilities of a fully integrated stack in which the application [...]</description>
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		<title>By: With Acquisition of Their Own Spring Source Accelerates Cloud Support- The SiliconANGLE</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.org/2009/08/13/virtualization-enterprise-java/comment-page-1/#comment-168155</link>
		<dc:creator>With Acquisition of Their Own Spring Source Accelerates Cloud Support- The SiliconANGLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the two would bring to market.&#160; In a blog post following the acquisition SpringSource CTO Adrian Colyer had this to say: Nothing changes that is, apart from the fact that we’ll have even more opportunity in the future [...]</description>
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