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	<title>Comments on: Red Hat Reacts to SpringSource&#039;s Leadership</title>
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		<title>By: Jim McLean</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-169226</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t feed the trolls.</description>
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		<title>By: Oleg Zhurakousky</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-169225</link>
		<dc:creator>Oleg Zhurakousky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@A.J. Segal

What is a standard? Hmm... let me look: 
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/standard
1. &quot;Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely recognized or employed, especially because of its excellence&quot;
2. &quot; Widely recognized or employed as a model of authority or excellence&quot;
3. &quot;Commonly used or supplied&quot;
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/standard
1. &quot;something established by authority, custom, or general consent as a model or example&quot;
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/standard
1. &quot;a basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated&quot;

You can clearly see that the words used are: excellence, commonly used, model or example etc. . ., which perfectly fits Spring manifesto ;) The fact that it was so widely adopted by the community as a more superior programming model then J2EE is a perfect testament to that, and because it is so widely adapted by the true community makes it a defacto standard ;)
And btw, JCP is not about standards. It is a process that attempts to dictate how things should be done and is heavily influenced by 800 gorillas (to promote their agenda and products) and not the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@A.J. Segal</p>
<p>What is a standard? Hmm&#8230; let me look:<br />
<a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/standard" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/standard</a><br />
1. &#034;Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely recognized or employed, especially because of its excellence&#034;<br />
2. &#034; Widely recognized or employed as a model of authority or excellence&#034;<br />
3. &#034;Commonly used or supplied&#034;<br />
<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/standard" rel="nofollow">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/standard</a><br />
1. &#034;something established by authority, custom, or general consent as a model or example&#034;<br />
<a href="http://www.wordreference.com/definition/standard" rel="nofollow">http://www.wordreference.com/definition/standard</a><br />
1. &#034;a basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated&#034;</p>
<p>You can clearly see that the words used are: excellence, commonly used, model or example etc. . ., which perfectly fits Spring manifesto <img src='http://blog.springsource.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  The fact that it was so widely adopted by the community as a more superior programming model then J2EE is a perfect testament to that, and because it is so widely adapted by the true community makes it a defacto standard <img src='http://blog.springsource.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And btw, JCP is not about standards. It is a process that attempts to dictate how things should be done and is heavily influenced by 800 gorillas (to promote their agenda and products) and not the community.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Segal</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-169199</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J. Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rod

I&#039;ll take standards any day.  Seam rules ... no JBoss AS required.  Nice hair cut by the way.</description>
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<p>I&#039;ll take standards any day.  Seam rules &#8230; no JBoss AS required.  Nice hair cut by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: å•†ä¸šè¶‹åŠ¿ - JBossã€?Spring Framework å’Œ eXo - Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>å•†ä¸šè¶‹åŠ¿ - JBossã€?Spring Framework å’Œ eXo - Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Framework çš„æ”¯æŒ?ã€‚å?¦è¯·å?‚è§? Press Releaseã€?Rich&#039;s note å’Œæ?¥è‡ª The Register ä¸Ž Rod Johnson çš„å??åº”ï¼›å¯¹äºŽåŽ†å?²/æ›´å¹¿é˜”çš„èƒŒæ™¯ï¼Œè¯·å›žæº¯ Oracle and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TendÃªncias de NegÃ³cios - JBoss, Spring Framework, e eXo - Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>TendÃªncias de NegÃ³cios - JBoss, Spring Framework, e eXo - Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] o Spring Framework. Veja tambÃ©m o Press Release, Rich&#8217;s note, e reaÃ§Ãµes do The Register e Rod Johnson; e, para fins histÃ³ricos / contexto mais amplo, recorde se da Oracle e [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ãƒ“ã‚¸ãƒ?ã‚¹ãƒˆãƒ¬ãƒ³ãƒ‰ - JBoss, Spring Framework, eXo - Technology</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-167316</link>
		<dc:creator>ãƒ“ã‚¸ãƒ?ã‚¹ãƒˆãƒ¬ãƒ³ãƒ‰ - JBoss, Spring Framework, eXo - Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ã€? Rich ã?®è¨˜äº‹ã€?The Register ã?¨ Rod Johnson ã?®å??å¿œã‚‚ã?”ç¢ºèª?ã‚’ã€‚æ­´å?²çš„/åºƒã?„æ–‡è„ˆã?§ã?¯ã€?Oracle ã?¨ Spring [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Business Trends - JBoss, Spring Framework, and eXo - Technology</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-167300</link>
		<dc:creator>Business Trends - JBoss, Spring Framework, and eXo - Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Framework. Also see the Press Release, Rich&#8217;s note, and reactions from The Register and Rod Johnson; and, for historical/wider context, recall Oracle and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Guy Pardon</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-167292</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Pardon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That license is the standard boilerplate evaluation license that the JCP requires for JSRs.&quot;

This one seemed different IMO: I have seen numerous Sun licenses but none with Red Hat in it. That is why I didn&#039;t proceed (yet) - I like to know what I agree to first, and I just need some time to look into the legal terms first. 

&quot;Clearly you have some misconceptions about JSR-299, that arise from you not having read the spec.&quot;

It certainly seems so, doesn&#039;t it? However, and again: whatever little I know is based on the abstract that is right there, on the JSR page - maybe it could be improved so that it reflects the nature of the spec?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;That license is the standard boilerplate evaluation license that the JCP requires for JSRs.&#034;</p>
<p>This one seemed different IMO: I have seen numerous Sun licenses but none with Red Hat in it. That is why I didn&#039;t proceed (yet) &#8211; I like to know what I agree to first, and I just need some time to look into the legal terms first. </p>
<p>&#034;Clearly you have some misconceptions about JSR-299, that arise from you not having read the spec.&#034;</p>
<p>It certainly seems so, doesn&#039;t it? However, and again: whatever little I know is based on the abstract that is right there, on the JSR page &#8211; maybe it could be improved so that it reflects the nature of the spec?</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin King</title>
		<link>http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-167288</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did I read the draft of that spec? No - a RedHat license pops up and I want to read/understand the legal talk first.&quot;

That license is the standard boilerplate evaluation license that the JCP requires for JSRs. We were asked by Sun to add it to the spec. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve agreed to the same license many times for other JCP specifications.

Clearly you have some misconceptions about JSR-299, that arise from you not having read the spec. Sorry, but the need to agree to the standard JCP evaluation license doesn&#039;t really excuse you for making uninformed comments .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Did I read the draft of that spec? No &#8211; a RedHat license pops up and I want to read/understand the legal talk first.&#034;</p>
<p>That license is the standard boilerplate evaluation license that the JCP requires for JSRs. We were asked by Sun to add it to the spec. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve agreed to the same license many times for other JCP specifications.</p>
<p>Clearly you have some misconceptions about JSR-299, that arise from you not having read the spec. Sorry, but the need to agree to the standard JCP evaluation license doesn&#039;t really excuse you for making uninformed comments .</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pieter

Sorry, I missed your comment earlier.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;By this metric, Spring overtook JBoss almost 3 years ago, and has since pulled far ahead.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Really, it seems you are totally wrong, or maybe I&#039;m missing something?
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=&quot;java spring&quot;, &quot;jboss&quot;&amp;l=&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You are indeed missing something. No one searches for the literal string &quot;java spring&quot;. You need to use &quot;and&quot; to search for jobs mentioning both Java and Spring. Then you get &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=java and spring, java and jboss&amp;l=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exactly the comparison I described&lt;/a&gt;: Spring long ago overtook JBoss as a skills requirement and has since pulled far ahead.

Rgds
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pieter</p>
<p>Sorry, I missed your comment earlier.</p>
<blockquote><blockquote>By this metric, Spring overtook JBoss almost 3 years ago, and has since pulled far ahead.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really, it seems you are totally wrong, or maybe I&#039;m missing something?<br />
<a href="http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=" rel="nofollow">http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=</a>&#034;java spring&#034;, &#034;jboss&#034;&#038;l=</p></blockquote>
<p>You are indeed missing something. No one searches for the literal string &#034;java spring&#034;. You need to use &#034;and&#034; to search for jobs mentioning both Java and Spring. Then you get <a href="http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=java and spring, java and jboss&#038;l=" rel="nofollow">exactly the comparison I described</a>: Spring long ago overtook JBoss as a skills requirement and has since pulled far ahead.</p>
<p>Rgds<br />
Rod</p>
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