Comments on: Is it a Tomcat, or the Elephant in the Room? http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/ The voice of SpringSource Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:31:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: A defining moment for Java | Opinions on IT and various issues http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-163998 A defining moment for Java | Opinions on IT and various issues Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:07:45 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-163998 [...] Oracle is buying Sun when Sun’s grip over the Java community is waning away. As outlined in a post by Rod Johnson development in Java is moving away from EJB containers to specialized solutions [...] [...] Oracle is buying Sun when Sun's grip over the Java community is waning away. As outlined in a post by Rod Johnson development in Java is moving away from EJB containers to specialized solutions [...]

]]> By: Rajiv http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-117933 Rajiv Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:43:46 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-117933 Jeevan, Rod Johnson is an architect. You should discuss questions related to Spring's design with him. Not coding problems. There are so many code samples on Spring. Please refer them and next time thing twice before posting such senseless things Jeevan,
Rod Johnson is an architect. You should discuss questions related to Spring's design with him. Not coding problems. There are so many code samples on Spring. Please refer them and next time thing twice before posting such senseless things

]]> By: SpringSource Team Blog » The Biggest Loser's Next Contestant: Java Bloatware http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-102709 SpringSource Team Blog » The Biggest Loser's Next Contestant: Java Bloatware Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:29:10 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-102709 [...] The future of enterprise Java is becoming clear. The morbidly obese legacy platforms are in decline, with leaner solutions increasingly used in production as well as in development. Legacy technologies such as EJB are becoming less and less relevant.The lukewarm takeup of Java EE 5 leaves it looking increasingly like the last gasp of traditional J2EE bloatware. Meanwhile, the Java EE 6 specification is finally set to allow for greater modularity, in a radical change which will have important implications for developers and is likely to rejuvenate competition among implementations. As the standards and the products based upon them have gathered pound after pound of cellulite, SOA, Web 2.0 and other infrastructural changes continually impose new requirements that were not foreseen when J2EE was conceived a decade ago, as a chubby but cute baby. [...] [...] The future of enterprise Java is becoming clear. The morbidly obese legacy platforms are in decline, with leaner solutions increasingly used in production as well as in development. Legacy technologies such as EJB are becoming less and less relevant.The lukewarm takeup of Java EE 5 leaves it looking increasingly like the last gasp of traditional J2EE bloatware. Meanwhile, the Java EE 6 specification is finally set to allow for greater modularity, in a radical change which will have important implications for developers and is likely to rejuvenate competition among implementations. As the standards and the products based upon them have gathered pound after pound of cellulite, SOA, Web 2.0 and other infrastructural changes continually impose new requirements that were not foreseen when J2EE was conceived a decade ago, as a chubby but cute baby. [...]

]]> By: Java Pro News » Blog Archive » Tomcat Could Displace JBoss in Some JBoss Deployments http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-96867 Java Pro News » Blog Archive » Tomcat Could Displace JBoss in Some JBoss Deployments Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:16:53 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-96867 [...] On a side note, anyone reading Rod’s blog recently will notice something that I’m sure the JBoss team has. Rod is very positive about Tomcat and, to a degree, questions whether Tomcat could displace JBoss in a non-insignificant portion of JBoss deployments. While SpringSource intends to support leading app servers including JBoss, it appears that coopetition is coming to a Tomcat/Spring/JBoss user near you! [...] [...] On a side note, anyone reading Rod’s blog recently will notice something that I’m sure the JBoss team has. Rod is very positive about Tomcat and, to a degree, questions whether Tomcat could displace JBoss in a non-insignificant portion of JBoss deployments. While SpringSource intends to support leading app servers including JBoss, it appears that coopetition is coming to a Tomcat/Spring/JBoss user near you! [...]

]]> By: An update on SpringSource « rand($thoughts); http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-96701 An update on SpringSource « rand($thoughts); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:59:58 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-96701 [...] On a side note, anyone reading Rod’s blog recently will notice something that I’m sure the JBoss team has. Rod is very positive about Tomcat and, to a degree, questions whether Tomcat could displace JBoss in a non-insignificant portion of JBoss deployments. While SpringSource intends to support leading app servers including JBoss, it appears that coopetition is coming to a Tomcat/Spring/JBoss user near you! [...] [...] On a side note, anyone reading Rod's blog recently will notice something that I'm sure the JBoss team has. Rod is very positive about Tomcat and, to a degree, questions whether Tomcat could displace JBoss in a non-insignificant portion of JBoss deployments. While SpringSource intends to support leading app servers including JBoss, it appears that coopetition is coming to a Tomcat/Spring/JBoss user near you! [...]

]]> By: openBlog » Open Source War? Spring+Tomcat vs Jboss http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-94619 openBlog » Open Source War? Spring+Tomcat vs Jboss Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:53:58 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-94619 [...] As you may know, SpringSource acquired Covalent, the company that has been providing Apache support for more than 10 years. Clearly, SpringSource goes for the Spring + Tomcat strategy. [...] [...] As you may know, SpringSource acquired Covalent, the company that has been providing Apache support for more than 10 years. Clearly, SpringSource goes for the Spring + Tomcat strategy. [...]

]]> By: Yuval Goldstein http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-93848 Yuval Goldstein Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:21:34 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-93848 My 2 Cents: - Distributed transactions across machines are not that widely used. Actually, even if I have the technical ability to do them, I would suggest a more loosely coupled aproach such as explicitly using compensating actions even without having the supporting built-in infrastructure. So the bottom line here that Tomcat is still fine, :) - JTA transactions across database actions and JMS actions is a very nice feature, but if you are aiming at just doing simple stuff asynchronously you may even settle for the concurrency utils. In my opinion this is what makes the real difference between full blown JEE and tomcat. Yuval Goldstein My 2 Cents:

- Distributed transactions across machines are not that widely used.
Actually, even if I have the technical ability to do them, I would suggest a more loosely coupled aproach such as explicitly using compensating actions even without having the supporting built-in infrastructure.
So the bottom line here that Tomcat is still fine, :)

- JTA transactions across database actions and JMS actions is a very nice feature, but if you are aiming at just doing simple stuff asynchronously you may even settle for the concurrency utils. In my opinion this is what makes the real difference between full blown JEE and tomcat.

Yuval Goldstein

]]> By: SpringSource Team Blog » Spring Overtakes EJB as a Skills Requirement http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-91912 SpringSource Team Blog » Spring Overtakes EJB as a Skills Requirement Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:04:54 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-91912 [...] Moving away from EJB provides greater architectural flexibility, at a time when requirements are changing, through the rise of SOA and other forces, and companies are increasingly choosing lighter-weight deployment platforms. Although support for various parts of the EJB 3.0 model is available outside a full-blown application server (including in Spring 2.5, which offers the EJB 3.0 DI model in addition to its own, and in Pitchfork, which is used as the basis of WebLogic 10's EJB 3.0 implementation), EJB is a component model fundamentally predicated on deployment to a traditional application server. [...] [...] Moving away from EJB provides greater architectural flexibility, at a time when requirements are changing, through the rise of SOA and other forces, and companies are increasingly choosing lighter-weight deployment platforms. Although support for various parts of the EJB 3.0 model is available outside a full-blown application server (including in Spring 2.5, which offers the EJB 3.0 DI model in addition to its own, and in Pitchfork, which is used as the basis of WebLogic 10's EJB 3.0 implementation), EJB is a component model fundamentally predicated on deployment to a traditional application server. [...]

]]> By: sat http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-88927 sat Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:37:19 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-88927 Jeenvan, I'm sorry to say that it looks stupid to post your error msg here and ask for help. Use common sense. Go to some Spring Forum and post it. Jeenvan,
I'm sorry to say that it looks stupid to post your error msg here and ask for help. Use common sense. Go to some Spring Forum and post it.

]]> By: Revue de Presse Xebia par J2EE, Agilité et SOA : Le blog de Xebia France http://blog.springsource.org/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/comment-page-1/#comment-88208 Revue de Presse Xebia par J2EE, Agilité et SOA : Le blog de Xebia France Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:12:07 +0000 http://blog.interface21.com/main/2007/12/24/is-it-a-tomcat-or-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-88208 [...] Les serveurs J2EE commerciaux comme open source rencontrent aujourd’hui un nouveau type de concurrence : les simples moteurs de servlet comme Tomcat (cf Is it a Tomcat, or the Elephant in the Room? par Rod Johnson, fondateur de Spring Framework). [...] [...] Les serveurs J2EE commerciaux comme open source rencontrent aujourd'hui un nouveau type de concurrence : les simples moteurs de servlet comme Tomcat (cf Is it a Tomcat, or the Elephant in the Room? par Rod Johnson, fondateur de Spring Framework). [...]

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